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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for a clear and sane perspective on this issue.
Michael Klein
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@Joy Wilmot: To say that choosing the name Cordoba "seems to signify in no uncertain terms the underlying reason for the proposed mosque: a silent, but determined, recognition to the Muslim people of the world of one more conquest in the West, in the United States" is simply purely unfounded speculation and the sort of speculation that only serves to add fuel to an already absurdly volatile scenario. That statement is akin to saying that the name "American University of Beirut" was chosen to signify in no uncertain terms that America was intent on annihilating the native Syrian and Lebanese population in the same manner American Indians were annihilated, and laying the foundation for slave labor. OR, perhaps, one might assume that the name American University of Beirut was chosen to signify the highest ethical principles of the United States in its relation to others. I assume that would be the preferred way of seeing things. I think it is fair to assume the name Cordoba was chosen to likewise signify a highpoint of multicultural cooperation (which in fact is the dominant view of that period, rather than the more recently cioned paranoid view which often emanates from the "Obama is a secret Muslim" set). With all due respect to Mr "Raymond Ibrahim of Pundicity", a columnist for the widely criticized and indeed extremist "Jihad Watch" website, he is hardly an unbiased observer on this matter, and his now-viral alarmist quote that you relied on has more propagandistic than historical content.
Michael Klein
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@Allen Kwok: Allen, I am indeed aware of the interpretation you offer about the Founding Fathers capitulating on slavery due to the necessity of uniting the new nation, avoiding sectional conflict and/or civil war, etc. While it's a legitimate argument, there is also a school of thought which finds such explanations overly influenced by a desire to not tarnish the heroic image of the Founders, and to reduce the conflict to a Manichean glorious "patriots" vs evil Tories/British.
There is in fact evidence that the South was so weakened and bankrupted in the course of the conflict (in no small part due to loss of slave "property" as a result of escapes, including thousands of Black (and some white!) folks who went over to the British to gain freedom. And if indeed civil war was a possibility, wouldn't it have been better to have it then, then have to endure 80 years in which Black people were increasingly brutalized throughout the 19th Century, with the result being a civil war that was infinitely more destructive than it would have been in the 1780s? And THIS is what's relevant to the current "mosque" controversy--NOTHING good ever comes from capitulation to intolerance.
You take issue with the term "hypocrite." But how else to describe Mr Jefferson, who railed publicly against the comparative intelligence and worth of African people, and who demanded that they be resettled far from the white colonists, lest white blood be despoiled--all while fathering multiple multiracial children himself! And who lied about his slave losses after the war in order to increase his personal compensation from the British?
Of course, we could have not fought the War of Independence at all, in which case we might have turned out like some horrid, awful, oppressed land, like....(horrors) Canada!
PS: A fine starting point for some background: Gary Nash' "The Forgotten Fifth: African Americans in the Age of Revolution."
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